In digital manufacturing, and creative coding there is a large focus on the technical aspects of design. What kind of code/machine created an aesthetic materialization of design. This technical focus is interesting, the specifics matter. In my own work I however try to go beyond technical specifics, and more towards our relationship with machines. I felt that it was important to talk about the real implications of non-human agency in design. And investigated this space together with Jori van der Kolk. We investigated existing podcasts, websites and channels out there, and found that besides academics there is little discussion on how we interact with machines. The machines “agency” is often described as a challenge to be solved, and sometimes inspires new thoughts, but is hardly talked about. Thus, we started a platform for making-centric philosophical conversations.